defense budget by in essence saying, we will save money we would otherwise be spending in iraq, or afghanistan, by maintaining our current level of troops for the next ten years and nobody believes we'll maintain the current level of troops we have in iraq, or afghanistan, for the next ten years, so, this is phony savings, as is the claimed half trillion dollars in interest savings by not spending the trillions we weren't going to spend otherwise. alisyn: there are reports, obviously, the president invited congressional leaders, democratic and republicans, to the white house tomorrow and there are also reports out yesterday, "the new york times," that the white house has agreed to cut in entitlements. and, sounds like there may be progress, and, room to open the debate? >> there could be, but the question about the entitlement cuts is, are they real? are they likely to be realized and are they sooner rather than later? the president, we need to be on a glide path but for example the president offered, again, from my discussions with people who are knowledgeable about these discussions, between